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Thursday Night Sunset Run across the Cherohala

Post#1 » Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:23 am

Come join the first official unofficial run of MATG XX!

Once again, we're doing a Sunset run on the Cherohala skyway. This is a pretty nice evening out that involves a run over the Cherohala Skyway at dusk, a stop to watch the sun set over the mountains and then a run down into Tellico Plains for dinner at the Tellico Beach Drive-In **Weather Permitting, YMMV

Important things to note:
  • The overlook is about 1 hour 15 minutes from Fontana. The Beach Drive In is another 45 minutes beyond that. Keep that in mind if you're staying terribly far away so you don't get caught unawares at nearly midnight with an roughly 2 hour drive just to get back to Fontana if your hotel is farther out (cough Bryson City cough)
  • This won't be super-spirited (but we ARE driving Miatas). Non-Miatas are welcome as well.
  • The Tellico Beach Drive-In, for those of you who go all the way across, is cash only, so hit the ATM before we leave.
  • Fill your tanks. There is no place to stop for fuel once we leave until you reach Tellico Plains. Depending on the route we end up with, there MAY be a stop on 129 for fuel before turning up into Joyce Kilmer, but maybe not. So please fill your tanks before we leave.
  • Previously, we attempted to run two groups, one from Fontana and one from Robbinsville. That was a bit of a Charlie Foxtrot, especially when the two groups met up, so like last year, we are only running one group leaving from Fontana.
  • Bring a jacket, blanket or something to keep warm with. It will get chilly up there, especially once the sun sets. Pants may also be helpful.
  • This year I may not do it if the weather is as bad as it has been the last three years or so. The fog up on the Cherohala and the Dragon (if you take that route back) is pea soup-thick and it can be treacherous even IF you ignore the slick, wet roads, animals in the dark and lack of visible road markings in many places.
  • Be aware of road debris, we went up once just after the state had mowed and thoughtfully left giant (1 - 2 feet tall) mounds of wet grass in the middle of the road.

The number one rule above all others is STAY SAFE and do not drive outside your own limitations. I can't tell you how much to push it, only you know that.

Once last thing... ALL updates will be to this post. I won't add updates in subsequent comments, so please refer to this post for all the officially unofficial information.

NOTE: Details are evolving and will change or be fleshed out as we get closer to Dragon Season.

Anyway, on with the details.

Safety:
First rule of Miata Club. You do not drive beyond your ability.
Second Rule of Miata Club. You do NOT drive beyond your ability.
Third Rule of Miata Club. Keep it between the lines.
If you can't drive like you've got some sense, please find another run. I hate sounding harsh, but the roads can be quite treacherous, especially after dark and I want you ALL to make it out and back safely without needing to wait for a tow-truck on the Cherohala like someone did previously. Have fun, but don't let it get away from you.

Assume there will be wild animals jumping out in front of you just shy of ever apex, especially once it's dark. Because it's entirely likely that could happen. Be observant, be safe, and have fun.

Each driver will be responsible for the driver immediately behind him or her. (Great advice, by the way!). That means when you come to a turn, you signal and wait for the person immediately behind you to appear, then you make the turn when they have seen you. This way, no one gets lost, no one gets left behind.

Again, do not drive beyond your ability. If you wreck, remember, the tow-truck is likely 2 - 4 hours away. Ambulances will take at least 45 minutes to reach you, and the closest hospital is likely 45 minutes AFTER they get you. If it's bad enough that they have to call in the helicopter, expect to pay as much for the ride to the trauma center as you did for your Miata.

What to bring:
  • You, Friends, Camera, Miata.
  • You may wish to bring along a sweater or jacket as it will get chilly up there after dark. (again, pants are not bad)
  • Raincoat, if we go in the rain.
  • Cash if you plan on going on for dinner as the burger stand doesn't take plastic.
  • Gas. You'll want a full tank of gas as there won't be any gas stations between Fontana and Tellico Plains.
  • FRS/GMRS Radio for communications, it may help, especially if there are several spread out in the group and people relay messages

Sunset:
8:40 PM in Tellico Plains according to the Internets http://sunrisesunset.com/.

Which means we'll want to be at the overlook by 8:30 PM at the latest. I'm trying to shoot for between 8:20 PM and 8:30 PM so there's some time to hang out and socialize before the sun drops.

Meeting Time/Place:
A while back I tried organizing two groups and that was a bit of a nightmare, not to mention the mess that ensued when we all tried to squeeze onto the Cherohala from two directions at Santeetlah Gap, so I'm doing one official group from Fontana Village. Those of you who don't want to drive over to Fontana (staying in Robbinsville), please feel free to set up a second group from the school across from the Phillips motel.

Given that it's Thursday night, we should be ok to stage in the area next to the General Store where the vendors will be set up. If that's crowded, we can shoot for the lot next to the Gunter Cabin up the hill near the Wildwood Grill.

Please be in the staging area by 7:00PM. At 7:05 PM I'll do a quick briefing and then we're off.

Route: https://goo.gl/tbC83K

We'll depart the lot no later than 7:10PM. The Great and Mighty Google says it is 1 hour 10 minutes from Fontana to the Overlook. So that should put us there in plenty of time, with a buffer for late start. Traditionally, we've run up to Hooper's Bald and stopped for a bit to socialize, but to that place is a PITA to get everyone into and get turned around. In years past, we were lined up from the entrance all the way in and back down again and basically blocked the whole thing off... and to beat that, the bathrooms were closed anyway.

Once we depart, we'll head up Rhymers Ferry to Meadow Branch which comes out on US129 just below Tapoco Lodge. We'll head from there to Joyce Kilmer National Forest and onto the Cherohala, and on to the Santeetlah overlook.

I'm shooting to head straight on to the Santeetlah overlook, get there a bit early and do some socializing and such there and then watch a gorgeous Carolina/Tennessee Sunset.

Here's a link to El Map De Google: https://goo.gl/tbC83K

Extra BONUS (Burgers and Ice Cream):
At this point, many head back, but an intrepid few usually head on down into Tellico Plains for burgers and/or ice cream at a shack down by the river. From there, we head back and usually stop at another overlook to star gaze and hang out, and... stuff.
Super Extended Happy Fun Bonus Map!: https://goo.gl/iECnUE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This starts at the end of the Sunset stop and goes to the Tellico Beach Drive-In down in Tellico Plains. It's about another 45 minutes from Santeetlah overlook. If you need gas, you can go on up the road a couple miles or so and there are a couple gas stations on that side of Tellico Plains. After some eating and hanging out by the river in the dark, we all head back. Some of us stop again up on the Cherohala, as I said, for star gazing, hanging out or whatever, some go on to get back to their cabin, tent, motel room, or wherever they're staying.

Communications:
FRS/GMRS channel 05
Ham Radio Simplex (2m)146.55MHz

Miscellanea:
Yes, this is probably a little overthought, but I'm a software engineer, and I tend to be somewhat detail oriented or OCD :D

I'll have a 2m/440 Ham Radio and an FRS radio as well. We'll try to stick to the times as much as possible, but I don't want anyone left behind if we can help it. The pace will not be insane. I'm in a '91 BRG with a non-FI 1.6L. I won't be flying but it may be just a little spirited ;-) Just remember to NOT drive faster than your comfort zone. The beauty of Miatas is that even though every NA left the factory the same way, just about every one is different somehow, each perform a little differently (or a lot) and everyone drives with different levels of skill and comfort. Besides, we're out to enjoy a beautiful sunset, weather permitting, not win the "Who can get the best speeding ticket" contest.

Finally:
Times may change depending on how the route actually drives out, so I'll keep this updated up to Wednesday the 2nd. If the whiteboard is posted in the General Store, I'll put updates there as well.

See you there!
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Re: Thursday Night Sunset Run across the Cherohala

Post#2 » Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:30 pm

Can't wait! Hopefully it doesn't get fogged out like last year. I'm crossing my fingers!

And this is probably a stupid question, but if I got a radio like this: (http://amzn.to/2pXgIlQ), would I just set the frequency to the relative channel? I want to get something more than a Walmart walkie talkie since they have come in handy when I used them, but I have never used one like this before.

Edit: I am reading that FRS 5 is like 462.650 or 462.6625.
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Post#3 » Fri May 19, 2017 9:52 am

DarkSwordsman wrote:Can't wait! Hopefully it doesn't get fogged out like last year. I'm crossing my fingers!

And this is probably a stupid question, but if I got a radio like this: (http://amzn.to/2pXgIlQ), would I just set the frequency to the relative channel? I want to get something more than a Walmart walkie talkie since they have come in handy when I used them, but I have never used one like this before.

Edit: I am reading that FRS 5 is like 462.650 or 462.6625.


tl;dr: 462.6625 is channel 5 FRS and yes, it will talk to FRS radios. Please read on for more detail...


First, as an FCC licensee, I have to inform you (it's my responsibility to at least) that that is technically an Amateur radio and using it to translate on an Amatuer frequency without an FCC license is illegal. (Those frequencies are 144 - 148MHz (2m band) and 420 - 450 MHz (70cm band))

That said, while those radios will transmit on FRS/GMRS frequencies, technically they are not meant to, so keep that in mind.

Now, more technically, these are FRS frequencies

Channel Frequency (MHz) Notes
1 462.5625 Shared with GMRS
2 462.5875 Shared with GMRS
3 462.6125 Shared with GMRS
4 462.6375 Shared with GMRS
5 462.6625 Shared with GMRS
6 462.6875 Shared with GMRS
7 462.7125 Shared with GMRS
8 467.5625 FRS use only
9 467.5875 FRS use only
10 467.6125 FRS use only
11 467.6375 FRS use only
12 467.6625 FRS use only
13 467.6875 FRS use only
14 467.7125 FRS use only

That'll change soon, slightly, as the FCC is restructuring the Personal Radio Service, of which both FRS and GMRS are a part.

So to answer your question, yeah, that Baofeng radio will transmit and receive on the FRS frequencies. However, it will do so at a full 5 watts which is technically illegal (FRS is limited to only 1/2 Watt, if you're transmitting as part of the FRS) If you're transmitting as part of the GMRS, then the max is 5 watts, but as we're all using FRS, technically it's 500mW max power ;)

And do not, DO NOT transmit on the Amateur Frequencies without a license, we don't like that (but have at it on FRS and GMRS frequencies).

FRS does not require a license to transmit on, GMRS, however, does require a license. But that only applies if you're using GMRS channels to talk to other GMRS radios. It's a wonderful, fun and exciting minefield of federal regulation :drive:

But I wouldn't worry too much about it, no one really cares, to be honest. Millions of those radios are in use every day.

FWIW, I have one, and will likely be carrying it with me too. I will tell you that those radios are a real pain to program manually, maybe a bit easier for FRS channels since there's no repeater offset and "usually" no PL tone to worry about. (we don't use PL tones for comms at the event). So it should be as simple as tuning it in and off you go. I'd lock the keyboard if I were you, it;s also easy to change frequencies and end up off frequency and not realize it.
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Re: Thursday Night Sunset Run across the Cherohala

Post#4 » Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:29 pm

Since you elaborated about FRS / GMRS radios here, I'm going to ask;
So they both transmit and receive on the same frequencies?
The only real difference is their power level?
FRS will be adequate in the mountains?
I'm considering buying one for this year. Would you care to provide a few links, maybe on Amazon, of decent units to purchase?
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Re: Thursday Night Sunset Run across the Cherohala

Post#5 » Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:25 am

Holy Cow! Thanks for all the information.

So basically, as long as I don't use GMRS or 144 to 148, I'll be good right? I'm definitely going to get it now, thanks again for all the info.

Edit (as a side note, not gonna get it): It seems like they released a new generation that bumped it up from 5 to 8 watts and has a bigger battery. Pretty cool. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007H4VT7A/re ... ozbF8JCSVE
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Post#6 » Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:19 pm

DarkSwordsman wrote:Holy Cow! Thanks for all the information.

So basically, as long as I don't use GMRS or 144 to 148, I'll be good right? I'm definitely going to get it now, thanks again for all the info.

Edit (as a side note, not gonna get it): It seems like they released a new generation that bumped it up from 5 to 8 watts and has a bigger battery. Pretty cool. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007H4VT7A/re ... ozbF8JCSVE


You're welcome.

Also, you are not going to see any benefit from 8 watts vs 5 watts on those radios, beyond extra battery drain. I've a feeling that the battery life will be about the same between them if the new 8w model has a larger battery, MAYBE the newer one will last a bit longer by virtue of improved design, but that's about it.

For actual use though, there's almost no difference between 5 and 8 watts, especially with the crappy rubber-duck antenna that comes with them. I've got a Nagoya NA-771 on mine which makes more difference than 3 more watts will, but it's a pretty big antenna. I hook it up to an external antenna too, sometimes, though it's no tuned for GMRS/FRS frequencies, so the benefit is limited.
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Re: Thursday Night Sunset Run across the Cherohala

Post#7 » Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:08 am

Have only done this twice in the past...once in the rain, and the other time in the fog. I hope to have a nice star lit night this year. If we go all in for the Burgers & Ice Cream with the group, what time would you guesstimate we would be back to US 129 at Tapoco Lodge that night?
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Post#8 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:31 pm

tigger23 wrote:Have only done this twice in the past...once in the rain, and the other time in the fog. I hope to have a nice star lit night this year. If we go all in for the Burgers & Ice Cream with the group, what time would you guesstimate we would be back to US 129 at Tapoco Lodge that night?
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Probably more like "The Next Morning". It'll all really dependent on weather. In a perfect world, sunset is at 8:27 that night, and it's roughly 40 minutes to the Tellico Beach Drive-In from the overlook, so call it 21:30 arrival after chit chat and finally getting on the road after sunset. They close at 22:00, and from there to Fontana Village is roughly 1:45 depending on whether you go back over the Cherohala, or around to 129 and take the Dragon back in the dark.

We usually aren't out of there until close to 23:00ish after talking and hanging out, unless it's just nasty, so call it maybe 12:30ish getting back? More or less.

It really will all depend on you. If you stay and run back with the ones who stay to the end, 12:30 - 1:00am is a safe bet. More or less, depending on road conditions / weather.
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Post#9 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:04 am

Thanks. Since the only other times that we made the run it was in inclement weather, I was wondering what a normal time would be. We have a cabin in Blue Ridge, GA and come over for each day's (night's) activities so I wanted to plan for the return trip. We have stayed in Andrews, NC in the past as well and that may be a good idea for that evening.
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Post#10 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:06 pm

I am interested! :D
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